i love s and m by metallica and the way iron maiden used classical instruments in paschendale. are there any good metal bands that also incorporate classical music or insturments in their music?
Entropy and Pain is correct Grindcore derived from Hardcore Punk but more specifically the genre Crust Punk and a lot of the earliest Grind bands were crossovers from that genre and some even featured band members from Punk bands you can tell the Punk influences in many Grind bands if you actually listen to the genres and later down the line a lot of bands started incorporating more Death Metal into the music thus creating the sub genre that is Deathgrind but there are still Grind bands keeping the Punk influence even today Metalcore on the other hand is a completely watered down gnere that seems to be what all of the little mainstream kids are listening to just to say they like Metal which that and the fact that it musically is usually bad and not diverse at all is the reason most Metal fans have rejected it there are some people who will die hard try and argue and say it is part of Metal however a lot of us don't consider it to be i personally don't consider it to be part of Metal but instead consider it to be more of a form of Hard Rock but to answer your question completely Grindcore is still far more Metal then Metalcore and far better in general too
Even though I am not a huge fan, Grindcore is 100% a sub genre of Metal. It is more extreme then Metalcore (yes another sub genre of Metal). There are a number of metal fans that, for some reason, believe that if they do not like a sub genre or a particular band that that sub genre or band are not metal. I am not putting down these people, I admire their passion for what they like. Unfortunately they project themselves as being very disrespectful and end up making fun of and verbally destroying the very genre of music they are passionate about.
No, it's a fusion of hardcore punk and death metal. Except unlike deathcore it takes the good parts of hardcore punk and actual techniques from Death metal. Grindcore is death metal malice, pitch and brutality from DM with harcore punks aggresion and simplicity. Metalcore takes drop tunings from metal and err... that's about it, song structures from pop and everything that was wrong with harcore punk. So grindcore isn't metal, but is more metal than metalcore. Just goes to show the English do music fuisions better than the Americans :) @JP - as long as it's close enough to metal I consider it a subgenre. This is why I consider Deathgrind a metal subgenre and grindcore to not be one. Deathgrind takes only influence from harcore punk, grindcore is a fusion. Fusions are different to subgenres.
Grindcore is a subgenre of heavy metal. It's deceptive, because metal is not in the name, but it's metal, like hardcore punk, metalcore, and deathcore. It is a mix of thrash metal, death metal, hardcore punk, and noise music. Hardcore punk is really a punk and heavy metal mix.
